People were hoping that Mustard wasn’t actually like this and that it’s an unreliable narrator thing, but like. I think it’s more interesting if she WAS like that and became a better person, but because Echo didn’t get to see that, she’s still stuck in the past. I don’t think that’s a valid reason for becoming evil, but still. And I also don’t think that Mustard was purely bad, I think she cared a lot. I just think there’s nuance to each sister that the other didn’t see.
i think there’s room for differences in perception. like, mustard is being a bit overly judgemental and blunt, but she is offering debbie money that could be used for a healthier lunch. trying to do a nice thing but in the wrong way sort of thing. meanwhile, echo is embarrassing her sister in a manner that’s drawing a lot more attention on the situation than mustard was.
also, we know from mcbell skipping orientation that fourth wall breaking powers can alter what’s depicted, so accuracy here isn’t guaranteed, even compared to the other flashbacks.
I really like your point of view! I also can’t imagine anyone’s character changing as fundamentally as Morgan’s (if Maggie would be to believed). Unless there was a major traumatic incident, maybe, like, hm, maybe the violent death of a close relative…?
Indeed – seeing bullies usually take lunch money, not offer 20 to 50 bucks for very little in return. (possibly in the 90s, when a dollar was worth twice it is today).
As I noted on the previous page, Maggie when saying she feared Mustard, made almost the same face as as when she lied lied about Fuchsia working with her: https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-6-page-111/ https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-6-page-121/
Seeing were the Maggie is going here (ie presenting herself as Maggie’s greatest, most hated obstacle), I wouldn’t be surprised if she accuses Mustard of causing the accident that seemingly killed her.
Sorry for the late answer. But as mentioned by CanvasWolfDoll, Echo/Maggie probably copied Gus’ power/routine. Though I do think Gus possibly convinced her Mustard was rotten to the core, and just wanted and wants to control her.
Something about this definitely feels exaggerated to me, but I can definitely see Mustard not having realized just how bad she was. Plus, looking back, I can see a certain level of “I know what’s best for you” imperious streak to Mustard that could really grate coming from a teenage older sister.
… also, that comment in front of a school cafeteria absolutely deserved a death glare, regardless of the circumstances.
She’s implied before that she was kind of shallow and self-centered before her sister’s death (or rather, “death”). So I don’t think this is coming entirely out of left field.
“I always wondered what poor people food tasted like” is pretty damn insane but also “you used to be a bully in high school, big sis” is a pretty absurd justification to give for like… killing.
So, I’ve been one of the biggest Mustard supporters, and I still wanna see a plushie of her at some point, but, I’m gonna go ahead and give Maggie the benefit of the doubt on this one. Perspective and points of view can be brutal, whether or not there’s truth laced within it or not. We never like to see the warts on our heroes, but overcoming vices and growing from them is the difference between a good character and a Mary Sue.
But I would like to say two things on the subject.
1. If Mustard WAS bad back in the day? I’d have LOVED to have had a bully like her, willing to pay $20-$50 for my $3 snack cake. That sounds like a lucrative racket to me! And if that was accurate? Maggie’s actions are very “two wrongs don’t make a right.” And now SHE’S the villain today. And, frankly, she’d have been lucky if Mustard didn’t grow worse towards her.
2. I’m gonna make a prediction that past mustard ends up with that Sticky Bun and gives it to little McBell.
That said… what kinda bullying is that? Paying big money for a cheaply made overpriced snack cake that gives you diarrhea? I’m still willing to believe Maggie’s claims, but I’m also gonna give Mustard the benefit of the doubt that there’s some definite exaggeration here. Maggie’s already admitted to lying once.
It’s exaggerated rich girl bullying? She’s humiliating the kid by dangling the money over her head. She’s loudly and publicly pointed out that she’s poor (the average teenager feels ashamed of that. They shouldn’t, but they do.), and then by offering her the money in exchange for her lunch, given her 2 options: 1) Accept, and in doing so agree that she is poor and needs the money to buy a decent lunch, thereby increasing her humiliation or 2) reject the offer, and be left with a shitty lunch that will now taste all the worse for being identified as a public identifier of her poverty.
I’m actually really thrown by how many people are trying to argue that Mustard is doing something secretly generous here. This is class-based bullying at it’s most simple, this is the local rich girl taking the piss out of the local pov kid. The amount that’s being offered is exaggerated for comedic effect, but have people really never seen something like this in action before?
Okay, see, I can see that. Fair enough, but, given those two options? If Morrigan was seriously gonna give the money for the sticky bun for some kind of “rich girl victory,” doesn’t the girl still technically come out on top for getting money she otherwise didn’t have? She suddenly has enough to buy, like, two convenience store displays of sticky buns now. And if Morrigan seriously looked down at everyone, and was as bad as Maggie says, who did Debbie have to look bad to by taking the money if EVERYONE was beneath old Morrigan? Feels more like a “welcome to the club” thing. Probably doesn’t feel good, and Debbie was just a little girl, but she still would have come out ahead.
The only way that form of bullying makes sense, and it’s entirely possible that was the long-term play, is if Morrigan did something shifty like “Thanks! Oh, you know what, I don’t actually have that money on me NOW, but I’ll pay you back ONE DAY,” and never do?
Don’t be thrown by people trying to see the good in Morrigan. She’s a hero at this point in the comic and, as I said, people don’t like seeing the warts on their heroes. 😉
Point I was ultimately trying to make in my post was that if this was to be our big wham moment to learn about Morrigan’s shadier past before she became Mustard, than this example scene doesn’t feel like it’s really giving it. Perhaps the next couple pages will elaborate.
I’m going with the consensus of each having a different memory of how it was. She wasn’t as bad as her sister saw it, but not a perfect person. The reality will be somewhere in the middle.
Theres, like… more to this, right? Like shes going to do something horrible to her sister in retaliation or something? Cause “Mustard was a rich snob in school” isnt really a big reveal or a satisfying character motivation on its own. We’ve gotten to know her character now and nothing about her really seems to follow from that alone.
My guess is mustard was trying to do something nice and didn’t realize how uncomfortable lil’ Debbie was, but Maggie did see that Debbie was upset and just assumed her sister knew Debbie was upset and doing it to be a jerk.
Another Vending Machine Sticky Bun in the same chapter? I smell a conspiracy brewing. Or some kind of Sticky Bun-based theme to the narrative. Like slightly stale yeast and cinnamon frosting.
joe chouinard has invested a lot of money in the vending machine stocky bun industry, but it hasn’t been as lucrative as previous projected, hence the guerilla marketing
I was doing some rereading of the comic and came across this strip where the last couple of panels are highly relevant to the current goings on https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-5-page-87/
It was during the Gus Gilborn reveal where Mustard briefly was reminded on the (lesser) drama of her own high school cheerleading days, and thought about reaching out to “those girls”.
The alt text had the following to say:
“It’s been implied that Mustard was a very different person when she was younger (i.e. before her sister died). When suddenly confronted by sour memories of a less empathetic version of herself, her instinct is to consider ways to repent or reconcile.”
Having blood sugar issues to the point you will pay someone $50 just to eat a stickybun RIGHT NOW instead of having to get one yourself is not very evil. I think Mimey over here is projecting.
That’s ultimately what it comes down to, honestly. The past sucks, and it hurts, but Morrigan got better while Maggie got worse. Morrigan bullied then, but Maggie is killing now. “You were a jerk, so it’s okay for me to kill people” isn’t a great rationale no matter how you slice it. Then again, Maggie’s probably pretty out there right now mentally after an apparent resurrection and reprogramming by the Shadow Circus.
People were hoping that Mustard wasn’t actually like this and that it’s an unreliable narrator thing, but like. I think it’s more interesting if she WAS like that and became a better person, but because Echo didn’t get to see that, she’s still stuck in the past. I don’t think that’s a valid reason for becoming evil, but still. And I also don’t think that Mustard was purely bad, I think she cared a lot. I just think there’s nuance to each sister that the other didn’t see.
i think there’s room for differences in perception. like, mustard is being a bit overly judgemental and blunt, but she is offering debbie money that could be used for a healthier lunch. trying to do a nice thing but in the wrong way sort of thing. meanwhile, echo is embarrassing her sister in a manner that’s drawing a lot more attention on the situation than mustard was.
also, we know from mcbell skipping orientation that fourth wall breaking powers can alter what’s depicted, so accuracy here isn’t guaranteed, even compared to the other flashbacks.
I really like your point of view! I also can’t imagine anyone’s character changing as fundamentally as Morgan’s (if Maggie would be to believed). Unless there was a major traumatic incident, maybe, like, hm, maybe the violent death of a close relative…?
Indeed – seeing bullies usually take lunch money, not offer 20 to 50 bucks for very little in return. (possibly in the 90s, when a dollar was worth twice it is today).
As I noted on the previous page, Maggie when saying she feared Mustard, made almost the same face as as when she lied lied about Fuchsia working with her:
https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-6-page-111/
https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-6-page-121/
Seeing were the Maggie is going here (ie presenting herself as Maggie’s greatest, most hated obstacle), I wouldn’t be surprised if she accuses Mustard of causing the accident that seemingly killed her.
Maggie’s eyes in those two pages, when she says those statements…
Is that her real power? Believable lying?
no, that was gus’s power.
echo copies other people’s powers.
and she was around gus a lot.
Sorry for the late answer. But as mentioned by CanvasWolfDoll, Echo/Maggie probably copied Gus’ power/routine. Though I do think Gus possibly convinced her Mustard was rotten to the core, and just wanted and wants to control her.
Something about this definitely feels exaggerated to me, but I can definitely see Mustard not having realized just how bad she was. Plus, looking back, I can see a certain level of “I know what’s best for you” imperious streak to Mustard that could really grate coming from a teenage older sister.
… also, that comment in front of a school cafeteria absolutely deserved a death glare, regardless of the circumstances.
She’s implied before that she was kind of shallow and self-centered before her sister’s death (or rather, “death”). So I don’t think this is coming entirely out of left field.
“I wanted to be an actor. Or a model. Anything in the ‘hot and famous’ category.”
https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-3-page-11/
“I always wondered what poor people food tasted like” is pretty damn insane but also “you used to be a bully in high school, big sis” is a pretty absurd justification to give for like… killing.
“I always wondered what poor people food tasted like” is absolutely the way people talk in Chouinard bizarro world.
To be fair, she hasn’t actually done anything but hang out at the mall since Gus got arrested.
We’re getting really good mileage out of that vending machine sticky bun symbology.
Yes!!! Mustard as a teen sucked ass!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
*press X to doubt*
Is this a joint, shared flashback? Can they do that because twins?
No twins, Maggie is the little sister.
(Thanks to Mr. A: https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-3-page-11/)
Hey is that doughy’s wife as a kid
was Mustard trying to be nice and coming off as rude?
So, I’ve been one of the biggest Mustard supporters, and I still wanna see a plushie of her at some point, but, I’m gonna go ahead and give Maggie the benefit of the doubt on this one. Perspective and points of view can be brutal, whether or not there’s truth laced within it or not. We never like to see the warts on our heroes, but overcoming vices and growing from them is the difference between a good character and a Mary Sue.
But I would like to say two things on the subject.
1. If Mustard WAS bad back in the day? I’d have LOVED to have had a bully like her, willing to pay $20-$50 for my $3 snack cake. That sounds like a lucrative racket to me! And if that was accurate? Maggie’s actions are very “two wrongs don’t make a right.” And now SHE’S the villain today. And, frankly, she’d have been lucky if Mustard didn’t grow worse towards her.
2. I’m gonna make a prediction that past mustard ends up with that Sticky Bun and gives it to little McBell.
That said… what kinda bullying is that? Paying big money for a cheaply made overpriced snack cake that gives you diarrhea? I’m still willing to believe Maggie’s claims, but I’m also gonna give Mustard the benefit of the doubt that there’s some definite exaggeration here. Maggie’s already admitted to lying once.
It’s exaggerated rich girl bullying? She’s humiliating the kid by dangling the money over her head. She’s loudly and publicly pointed out that she’s poor (the average teenager feels ashamed of that. They shouldn’t, but they do.), and then by offering her the money in exchange for her lunch, given her 2 options: 1) Accept, and in doing so agree that she is poor and needs the money to buy a decent lunch, thereby increasing her humiliation or 2) reject the offer, and be left with a shitty lunch that will now taste all the worse for being identified as a public identifier of her poverty.
I’m actually really thrown by how many people are trying to argue that Mustard is doing something secretly generous here. This is class-based bullying at it’s most simple, this is the local rich girl taking the piss out of the local pov kid. The amount that’s being offered is exaggerated for comedic effect, but have people really never seen something like this in action before?
Okay, see, I can see that. Fair enough, but, given those two options? If Morrigan was seriously gonna give the money for the sticky bun for some kind of “rich girl victory,” doesn’t the girl still technically come out on top for getting money she otherwise didn’t have? She suddenly has enough to buy, like, two convenience store displays of sticky buns now. And if Morrigan seriously looked down at everyone, and was as bad as Maggie says, who did Debbie have to look bad to by taking the money if EVERYONE was beneath old Morrigan? Feels more like a “welcome to the club” thing. Probably doesn’t feel good, and Debbie was just a little girl, but she still would have come out ahead.
The only way that form of bullying makes sense, and it’s entirely possible that was the long-term play, is if Morrigan did something shifty like “Thanks! Oh, you know what, I don’t actually have that money on me NOW, but I’ll pay you back ONE DAY,” and never do?
Don’t be thrown by people trying to see the good in Morrigan. She’s a hero at this point in the comic and, as I said, people don’t like seeing the warts on their heroes. 😉
Point I was ultimately trying to make in my post was that if this was to be our big wham moment to learn about Morrigan’s shadier past before she became Mustard, than this example scene doesn’t feel like it’s really giving it. Perhaps the next couple pages will elaborate.
I’m going with the consensus of each having a different memory of how it was. She wasn’t as bad as her sister saw it, but not a perfect person. The reality will be somewhere in the middle.
Anyone else noticing the blush marks on her cheeks perfectly matching with Mustard’s clown makeup? The normal makeup, not the gritty reboot.
Theres, like… more to this, right? Like shes going to do something horrible to her sister in retaliation or something? Cause “Mustard was a rich snob in school” isnt really a big reveal or a satisfying character motivation on its own. We’ve gotten to know her character now and nothing about her really seems to follow from that alone.
My guess is mustard was trying to do something nice and didn’t realize how uncomfortable lil’ Debbie was, but Maggie did see that Debbie was upset and just assumed her sister knew Debbie was upset and doing it to be a jerk.
Another Vending Machine Sticky Bun in the same chapter? I smell a conspiracy brewing. Or some kind of Sticky Bun-based theme to the narrative. Like slightly stale yeast and cinnamon frosting.
joe chouinard has invested a lot of money in the vending machine stocky bun industry, but it hasn’t been as lucrative as previous projected, hence the guerilla marketing
He has unwittingly advertised that they cause bowel problems. The campaign is backfiring disasterously, making the stocks plummet.
I’m very confused by this particular flashback
Is Debbie Dot’s mom?
https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-6-page-46/
I was doing some rereading of the comic and came across this strip where the last couple of panels are highly relevant to the current goings on
https://clowncorps.net/comic/chapter-5-page-87/
It was during the Gus Gilborn reveal where Mustard briefly was reminded on the (lesser) drama of her own high school cheerleading days, and thought about reaching out to “those girls”.
The alt text had the following to say:
“It’s been implied that Mustard was a very different person when she was younger (i.e. before her sister died). When suddenly confronted by sour memories of a less empathetic version of herself, her instinct is to consider ways to repent or reconcile.”
Having blood sugar issues to the point you will pay someone $50 just to eat a stickybun RIGHT NOW instead of having to get one yourself is not very evil. I think Mimey over here is projecting.
Cool story Maggie. What the hell does that have to do with the crimes you’re committing?
That’s ultimately what it comes down to, honestly. The past sucks, and it hurts, but Morrigan got better while Maggie got worse. Morrigan bullied then, but Maggie is killing now. “You were a jerk, so it’s okay for me to kill people” isn’t a great rationale no matter how you slice it. Then again, Maggie’s probably pretty out there right now mentally after an apparent resurrection and reprogramming by the Shadow Circus.
Vending machine sticky buns is a real persistent theme this chapter
Spiral out of control, spiral into control. 😉
(That probably isn’t the reason… ^^; )